My jackdaw made a prophecy run away.

The fatigue and mode bonus decay are both bad ideas. Decay especially just leads to clickety-click-click to refresh. Fatigue is just annoying and defeats the purpose of having switchable modes.

Just nerf them, especially Svipul and confessor.

The main problem for me personally with T3Ds, is that I have flown the Confessor a lot and it totally outshines pretty much the entire frigate line-up of laser ships. Even pirate frigates like the Succubus, is totally overshadowed by the Confessor. The entire advantage of flying a Succubus, is that you can reach relatively high speeds with an AB which is great for range control and speed tanking, yet the Confessor can easily fit a 10mn AB and go faster than a Succubus with far better tank, damage and range (including the ability to switch modes). The Confessor is also significantly cheaper and so there is very little reason to fly a Succubus when you could fly a Confessor.

So not only are they great at killing frigates, but they actually make better frigates themselves in a lot of cases, especially if you compared them to the combat frigates like AFs and pirate frigs, and they can even align as fast as Interceptors, say what? PLUS they got the damage, tank and especially mobility to still be competitive with cruiser sized ships.

Overall T3Ds were a terrible idea in the first place. Its kind of mind blowing that such a bad ship design actually made it into the game. Were stuck with them now, but at least its been fun. Im sure everything will turn out OK anyway

The fact destroyers are killed fairly frequently by t1 and t2 frigs beg to differ. Ive killed plenty of thrashers in my jag to say youre wrong. Yes destroyers should kill frigs, but they should not obsolete an entire class of frigates.

I could take apart a thrasher/catalyst/coercer etc with an arty jag. Or even a breacher. There is no way for me to kill a svipul, fessor, hecate, jackdaw who has a clue how to fit with an AF or t1 frig. Skill at flying/fitting should determine a fight, not "i need to bring a battlecruiser or neut vexor to break this destroyer's tank".

Actually I don't have a problem with destroyers beating frigates. Destroyers should be able to murder frigates generally speaking. But the T3Ds are so much better than frigates in every practical sense that they completely obsolete them, they aren't just better in a straight up fight, they're better in virtually any situation. Aside from aesthetics and personal preferences, there is no reason to fly a Jag, Wolf, or Dramiel when you could fly a Svipul. It outshines them all in practically any role. Same goes for the Confessor overshadowing ships like the Succubus and Retribution. Not only does it have vastly superior tank and gank numbers, but the Confessor is actually faster and more agile than a Retribution, and with a 10mn AB fit, it outshines the Succubus in the Succubus's own role, which is going super fast with an AB. No reason to fly an AB Succubus when you could fly a 10mn AB Confessor, it has better tank, so much more damage, more versatility and range, etc.

AF don't need to be buffed the 4 destroyers that are causing all of the imbalance need nerfed.

I fly them too, most will run and the inability to shut down a MWD will hurt..



I did when we started to compare the Hecate with the other very high damage destroyers.



So none then because the Hecate will bring more damage, tank, utility, fitting room, cap, and speed than all of the other options can. This is why it is not balanced, the other destroyers must make hard choices while the Hecate can bring all of the options in one fit. It is also the reason why ships like the enyo and ishkur have been relegated to near uselessness, the Hecate out preforms everything in its level and below, same with the rest of the t3d lineup.

Completely agree. Different play styles for different folks.

If you want to fix T3Ds without them completely overpowering the meta like they currently do, I would suggest changing the following:

- Take away the scan res bonus from sharpshooter mode. T3D gatecamps (especially arti svipul) are extremely oppressive. Not even frigs can get past. Otherwise, the scan res effects are negligible. If the point was to make them a gate camping ship, it succeeded.

- Reduce the sig radius reduction to 33% per level instead of 66%. The resist bonus is way more than enough to make the T3Ds tanky. They don't need to also not be able to be hit well by the ships that should be killing them (cruisers).

- Mode switching: Maybe only allow them to switch modes if they haven't used an agressive mod in a certain amount of time, or make the mode switch timer longer.

- PG is a little too high on the svipul, oversized AB, and double extended ships should not still be able to use the largest guns imo. There's no sacrifice to be made while fitting.

- When you jump through a gate and start off in speed mode, then start aligning and switch modes, you pretty much instawarp. Not sure if this was intended, but on top of all the other things that make T3Ds op, this also makes them mostly invulnerable on gates. Messing with the conditions for mode switch might fix this.